DA list feedback

[Simian]

A couple of options....all thoughts appreciated.

1
Belial
Libby in Terminator armour Lvl2

6 DW terminators 1 AC 1 TH/SS
6 DW terminators 1 Cyclone 1 TH/SS
7man Tac squad with Missile and Flakk
7man Tac squad with Plasma cannon

5 man Black knights squad - 1 grenade launcher.

Contemptor Dreadnought with kheres assault cannons
Contemptor Dreadnought with lascannons and cyclone

Or

Belial
Libby in Terminator armour Lvl2

10 DW terminators 1 AC 2 TH/SS 1 cyclone
5 DW terminators 1 Cyclone 1 TH/SS
10man Tac squad with Missile and Flakk + Flamer
10man Tac squad with Plasma cannon + plasma gun

5 man Black knights squad - 1 grenade launcher.

4 hyperios defence turrets

[jaqenhgar]

What's the libby there for? not sure how he is adding to the list. Points could be better spent elsewhere imo, maybe on a ravenwing melta squad cos you can only deal with av14 in combat at the mo.

i prefer list 2 but that's because I think the contemptors will get wasted, even with their 5++ save.

[Simian]

Libby is there to keep the rerolls coming on the big squad of terminators after the initial drop but i take your point.

dropping him would mean i could add a ravenwing squad with some melta i think. i'll have a look. they wouldn't be scoring though.

Edit - ok, i can do a 5 man ravenwing squad with 1 melta or a 4 man with 2 and have 18 points left to spend

[Simian]

Belial

10 DW terminators 1 AC 2 TH/SS 1 cyclone
5 DW terminators 1 Cyclone 1 TH/SS
9man Tac squad with Missile and Flakk
10man Tac squad with Plasma cannon

5 man Black knights squad - 1 grenade launcher + melta bombs
5 man Ravenwing squad - 2 melta guns

4 hyperios defence turrets

I can split the 10 man Deathwing squad if i decide to have 5 troops but i do like having that 10 man beat stick.

[jaqenhgar]

i like that better. Not sure if the deathwing can combat squad? shame to lose the plasma gun on the bigger tac squad - could you make enough points by dropping to 8 marines in the first tac?

[Simian]

dropping to 8 would give me enough points,

I didn't mean combat squadding the 10 man deathwing, i actually meant taking two squads of five instead.

[jaqenhgar]

Oh OK, yeah I've not tried a 10man DW squad yet so don't know if that's better than 2 5 man or not.

[Simian]

after much list crafting last night i got this down to two...

One
Balanced list with plenty of options. bang on 1746
Belial

10 DW terminators 1 AC 2 TH/SS 1 cyclone
5 DW terminators 1 Cyclone 1 TH/SS
8man Tac squad with Missile and Flakk
10man Tac squad with Plasma cannon + plasma Gun

5 man Black knights squad - 1 grenade launcher + melta bombs
5 man Ravenwing squad - 2 melta guns

4 hyperios defence turrets

Two
Slightly tougher but with less bodies on the ground. (14 points short)

Belial

7 DW terminators 1 AC 1 TH/SS 1 CF
7 DW terminators 1 AC 1 TH/SS 1 CF
5 DW terminators 1 CML 1 TH/SS 1 CF
5 DW terminators 1 CML 1 TH/SS 1 CF

Contemptor 2 TL-Las CML
Hyperios missile battery x 4

(drop the two 7 man squads in via DWA other two go on the table)

[jaqenhgar]

first list has bikes. End of discussion

Seriously, I think the bikes lend much more to the force than the contemptor. Have heard good things about the grenade launcher since it drops T by one when it hits something and this affects instant death...ID'ing paladins with plasma

The first list can also potentially have 5 scoring units if you draw the scouring mission. The bikes can contest objectives if they are still around late game etc.

[Simian]

Im inclined to agree. I'll give it a test next Tuesday.

I do like bikes. shame i cant get a dark shroud into the list (would need to find 80 more points) as the bonus to the jink cover save would be useful.

3 Black knights and 4 missile batterys (i undercoated my kitbashed ones last night) to paint then.