Farsight Bombs which one??

[Embolden]

So I've been playing around with lists and cannot decide between these two... at first I was like Commander over Shadowsun for all the buffs, but the Bomb keeps dying, so maybe Shadowsun is the way to go? I mean Rob Sims came third at Cale with a Bomb with Shadowsun, Josh Roberts tabled basically everything at a tournament with Shadowsun... it seems the way to go for those players...

Benefits of Commander, can LoS hits to protect the unit buffs, 4 wounds, Drones are BS5
Drawbacks of Commander, offers no real squad wide protection against shooting once down to 1 wound, no real plan B options to no gate.

Benefits of Shadowsun, 4+ cover save even in open, 2+ if in/behind any cover, high bs fusion, offerers plan B to no gate.
Drawbacks of Shadosun, squad buffs less well protected and can be snipped, cannot tank.

I cannot decide between the 2, what do you guys think?

I've also come up with 4 lists which might help:

LIST1

with Commander:

(Warlord) Farsight
Commander, Command and Control Node, Multi-Spectrum Sensor Suit, Shield Generator, Stimulant Injector, Puretide Engram Neurochip, Drone Controller, Vectored Retro Thrusters, Iridium Battlesuit, Neuroweb System Jammer, 2 Gun Drones
Farsight Enclave Bodyguard Team:
Battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Fusion Blaster, Fusion Blaster, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Fusion Blaster, Fusion Blaster, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Missile Pod, Missile Pod, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
10 Kroot, Kroot Hound
10 Kroot
10 Kroot
Skyray, Blacksun filter, Smart Missile Systems
Skyray, Blacksun filter, Smart Missile Systems
Skyray, Blacksun filter, Smart Missile Systems
Space Marines Allies:
Chapter Tactics: Ultramarines
Tigurius
5 Scouts, Boltguns replaced by close combat weapons
Landspeeder Storm, Heavy Flamer
1839pts (10pts to spend on 2 hounds of Kroot or 2 Sensor Spines on Skyrays or Combi-Flamer on the Scouts in Storm?)

Pretty much what I took to Cale, noticeable changes are Loth to Tig, Commander gets 4+ inv and FnP.

LIST2

Commander with Storm Raven:

(Warlord) Farsight
Commander, Command and Control Node, Multi-Spectrum Sensor Suit, Stimulant Injector, Puretide Engram Neurochip, Drone Controller, Vectored Retro Thrusters, Iridium Battlesuit, 2 Gun Drones
Farsight Enclave Bodyguard Team:
Battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Fusion Blaster, Fusion Blaster, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Fusion Blaster, Fusion Blaster, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Missile Pod, Missile Pod, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
10 Kroot, Kroot Hound
10 Kroot
10 Kroot
Skyray, Blacksun filter, Smart Missile Systems
Skyray, Smart Missile Systems
Space Marines Allies:
Chapter Tactics: Ultramarines
Tigurius
5 Scouts, Boltguns replaced by close combat weapons
Storm Raven, Multimelta and Assault Cannon/Lascannon

So dropped a Skyray, Storm and 4+ Inv save and used the 11pts spare from list1 to get a Storm Raven into the list, worth it?? What do you guys think?

LIST3

Trying Shadowsun:

Farsight
Shadowsun
Farsight Enclave Bodyguard Team:
Battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Fusion Blaster, Fusion Blaster, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Missile Pod, Missile Pod, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Command and Control Node, Multi-Spectrum Sensor Suit, Stimulant Injector, Puretide Engram Neurochip, Drone Controller, Vectored Retro Thrusters, Iridium Battlesuit, Neuroweb System Jammer, 2 Gun Drones
10 Kroot, Kroot Hound
10 Kroot, Kroot Hound
Skyray, Blacksun filter, Smart Missile Systems
Skyray, Blacksun filter, Smart Missile Systems
Skyray, Blacksun filter, Smart Missile Systems
Space Marines Allies:
Chapter Tactics: Ultramarines
Tigurius
5 Scouts, Boltguns replaced by close combat weapons
Landspeeder Storm, Heavy Flamer
5 Scouts, Boltguns replaced by close combat weapons
Landspeeder Storm, Heavy Flamer
Total: 1850

Trying the buff suit over spreading the love of buffs around, double Storm for Scout squads giving 2 extremely mobile scoring units, other than that pretty much the same basic layout in the bomb, 2 double fusion, 4 plasma, 1 missile.

List4

Another try:

Farsight
Shadowsun
Farsight Enclave Bodyguard Team:
Battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Fusion Blaster, Fusion Blaster, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Missile Pod, Missile Pod, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones, Puretide Engram Neurochip, Drone Controller, Vectored Retro Thrusters,
Battlesuit, Command and Control Node, Multi-Spectrum Sensor Suit, 2 Gun Drones
10 Kroot, Kroot Hound
10 Kroot, Kroot Hound
Skyray, Blacksun filter, Smart Missile Systems
Skyray, Blacksun filter, Smart Missile Systems
Space Marines Allies:
Chapter Tactics: Ultramarines
Tigurius
5 Scouts, Boltguns replaced by close combat weapons
Landspeeder Storm, Heavy Flamer
5 Scouts
Storm Raven
Total: 1849

Spread the love of buffs around the squad and dropped a Skyray, FnP and 4+ Inv save to get a Storm Raven and scout squad.

So which list? Or something different... I cannot choose!

[jaqenhgar]

I think list three or four, getting a massive cover save is totally worth it. If I had to choose I'd go list 4 purely because the storm raven adds something different.

[manrogue]

Problem with list 4 is that buff suit is begging to be hit precision shots and barrage snipping. I do like having shadowsun in the bomb as a 4+ cover save in the open and 2+ in terrain is massive. I would give it a play it as it is a fun list.

[jaqenhgar]

Oh, so can the buff suit not Look out Sir?

[manrogue]

Nope, he is not a character In list 4, just a normal bodyguard.

[jaqenhgar]

But he's protected by the shrouding and stealth to some extent. I'd still try out list 4, splitting the buffs is probably a good idea if he can't LoS.

[Embolden]

Cheers for the responses guys...

I don't think I have enough time to playtest as much as I want to run Shadowsun, I think it's going to have to be the Buff Commander, like Vince said, the Buff suit is just begging to be sniped out, looking at the meta that bloody Bike Chapter Master looks extremely popular... I'm thinking Buff Commander is the only way to go and use him to tank with a 2+/4+ 5+FnP.

I also like the idea of the Storm Raven... so tweaking lists I've come up with:

(Warlord) Farsight
Commander, Command and Control Node, Multi-Spectrum Sensor Suit, Shield Generator, Stimulant Injector, Puretide Engram Neurochip, Drone Controller, Vectored Retro Thrusters, Iridium Battlesuit, Neuroweb System Jammer, 2 Gun Drones
Farsight Enclave Bodyguard Team:
Battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Fusion Blaster, Fusion Blaster, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Fusion Blaster, Fusion Blaster, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
Battlesuit, Missile Pod, Missile Pod, Target Lock, 2 Gun Drones
10 Kroot
10 Kroot
Skyray, Blacksun filter, Smart Missile Systems
Skyray, Blacksun filter, Smart Missile Systems
Space Marines Allies:
Chapter Tactics: Ultramarines
Tigurius
5 Scouts, Boltguns replaced by close combat weapons
Storm with heavy flamer
5 Scouts
Storm Raven

Comes to 1911... 61pts over... what to drop, what do you guys think?

[manrogue]

And there was me looking forward to sniping him in our practise game.

2nd scout squad comes to mind but really hampers your scoring then......

[Embolden]

I think you're right Vince, gonna have to lose the second scout squad

Right I've been thinking about the Storm Raven again... and I think this could be the list:

Farsight - 165
Commander, Command and Control Node, Multi-Spectrum Sensor Suit, Shield Generator, Stimulant Injector, Puretide Engram Neurochip, Drone Controller, Vectored Retro Thrusters, Iridium Battlesuit, Neuroweb System Jammer - 215
Bomb:
2xPlasma, target lock, 2x Gun drones - 91
2xPlasma, target lock, 2x Gun drones - 91
2xPlasma, target lock, 2x Gun drones - 91
2xPlasma, target lock, 2x Gun drones - 91
2xFusion, target lock, 2x Gun drones - 91
2xFusion, target lock, 2x Gun drones - 91
2xMissile, target lock, 2x Gun drones - 91
10 Kroot - 60
10 Kroot - 60
10 Kroot - 60
Skyray - Blacksun Filter - 116
Skyray - Blacksun Filter - 116
Tigurius - 165
5 Scouts - 55
Storm Raven - Multimelta, Assault Cannon - 200
1849pts