Team Evils thread

[wako1302]

I can't make that now I'm afraid

No worries. Can anyone else from team twilight make it? If not I'm sure me Alan and Baal Dave can sort something fun out on the night.

I can make it, how many points ?

[Agent0range]

I can't make that now I'm afraid

No worries. Can anyone else from team twilight make it? If not I'm sure me Alan and Baal Dave can sort something fun out on the night.

I can make it, how many points ?

Don't mind. I'll bring all my Chaos and we can decide on the night? Or we could get some practice in using our escalation lists?

[Dedwoods42]

Big props to Will for getting us our first win last night! I was rubbish, again - but defending with no terrain doesn't really suit a Tyranid drop list ;-)

I think our armies suit larger point games, at least while current restrictions are in place. I know that lack of swooping is getting my Flyrant minced a lot, as is not having a Malanthrope on the table due to lack of FW models. I've adjusted my 1050 list to include Regeneration on the Flyrant and a Venomthrope to plug some of these holes, and I'll play some practice games against my own Daemonkin lists beforehand to get some more time in with the Nids.

[Alpharius]

Big props to Will for getting us our first win last night! I was rubbish, again - but defending with no terrain doesn't really suit a Tyranid drop list ;-)

I think our armies suit larger point games, at least while current restrictions are in place. I know that lack of swooping is getting my Flyrant minced a lot, as is not having a Malanthrope on the table due to lack of FW models. I've adjusted my 1050 list to include Regeneration on the Flyrant and a Venomthrope to plug some of these holes, and I'll play some practice games against my own Daemonkin lists beforehand to get some more time in with the Nids.

Would love to practice agains t you. Not got 1050 need to decide what to bring. Me and arif playing 800 next week so if your around i could use some pointers and a practice?

EDIT:

What do you think?

+++ AL R3 (1050pts) +++

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1050pts) ++

+ HQ (110pts) +

Legion Centurion (110pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts), Combat Shield (5pts), Consul, Nanyte Blaster (40pts), Power Dagger (5pts)]
····Rules: Consul, Independent Character, Legiones Astartes, Uncontrolled Replication
····Profiles:
········Legion Centurion: Unit Type:Infantry|WS:5|BS:5|S:4|T:4|W:2|I:5|A:3|LD:9|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p16
········Combat Shield: Description:Confers 6++ invulnverable save, increasing to a 5++ in close combat. User is treated as having defensive grenades, but may never claim the extra attack for being armed with an additional close combat weapon. |HH:LACAL p89
········Nanyte Blaster: Range:12"|Strength:5|AP:2|Type:Assault 1, Fleshbane, Uncontrolled Replication|HH4: Conquest p223
········Power Dagger: Range:-|Strength:-1|AP:3|Type:Melee, Specialist Weapon, Rending|HH:LAICL p89

+ Troops (380pts) +

Legion Tactical Squad (190pts) [Legion Tactical Sergeant, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts), Legion Vexilla (10pts), Nuncio-Vox (10pts), Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade (20pts)]
····Rules: Fury of the Legion, Legiones Astartes
····Profiles:
········Legion Sergeant: Unit Type:Infantry (Character)|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:2|LD:9|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p202
········Legion Space Marine: Unit Type:Infantry|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:1|LD:8|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p202
········Legion Vexilla: Description:A unit with a Legion Vexilla may re-roll failed Morale tests. |HH:LACAL p90
········Nuncio-vox: Description:Units arriving via Deep Strike within 6" of a Nuncio-vox do not scatter. When barrage weapons are used by the controlling player, line of sight may be drawn from any model equipped with a Nuncio-vox as well as the firing model itself. Range is still drawn from the firing model. It may not be used inside a vehicle. |HH:LACAL p91

Legion Tactical Squad (190pts) [Legion Tactical Sergeant, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts), Legion Vexilla (10pts), Nuncio-Vox (10pts), Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade (20pts)]
····Rules: Fury of the Legion, Legiones Astartes
····Profiles:
········Legion Sergeant: Unit Type:Infantry (Character)|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:2|LD:9|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p202
········Legion Space Marine: Unit Type:Infantry|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:1|LD:8|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p202
········Legion Vexilla: Description:A unit with a Legion Vexilla may re-roll failed Morale tests. |HH:LACAL p90
········Nuncio-vox: Description:Units arriving via Deep Strike within 6" of a Nuncio-vox do not scatter. When barrage weapons are used by the controlling player, line of sight may be drawn from any model equipped with a Nuncio-vox as well as the firing model itself. Range is still drawn from the firing model. It may not be used inside a vehicle. |HH:LACAL p91

+ Elites (270pts) +

Apothecarion Detachment (90pts) [Legion Apothecary (45pts), Legion Apothecary (45pts)]
····Rules: Legiones Astartes
····Profiles:
········Legion Apothecary: Unit Type:Infantry (Character)|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:1|LD:8|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p24
········Narthecium: Description:

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (180pts)
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (60pts) [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun') (20pts)]
········Rules: Extremely Bulky, Legiones Astartes, Shell Shock
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (60pts) [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun') (20pts)]
········Rules: Extremely Bulky, Legiones Astartes, Shell Shock
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (60pts) [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun') (20pts)]
········Rules: Extremely Bulky, Legiones Astartes, Shell Shock
····Profiles:
········Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (Rapier Carrier): Unit Type:Artillery|WS:-|BS:-|S:-|T:7|W:2|I:-|A:-|LD:-|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p27
········Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (Space Marine Crew): Unit Type:Infantry|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:1|LD:8|Save:3+|HH:LACAL p27
········Quad Mortar: Range:12" - 60"|Strength:5|AP:5|Type:Heavy 4, Barrage, Blast, Shell Shock|HH:LACAL p83

+ Heavy Support (290pts) +

Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (175pts) [Armoured Ceramite (20pts), Heavy Bolters (20pts)]
····Rules: Rapid Tracking
····Profiles:
········Legion Sicaran Battle Tank: BS:4|Front:13|Side:12|Rear:12|HP:3|Type:Tank, Fast|HH:LACAL p60
········Armoured Ceramite: Description:A vehicle with this wargear is not subject to the additional D6 armour penetration caused by weapons with the Melta special rule. |HH:LACAL p88
········Accelerator Autocannon: Range:48"|Strength:7|AP:4|Type:Heavy 6, Rending, Rapid Tracking|HH:LACAL p61

Legion Whirlwind Scorpius (115pts)
····Rules: Rocket Barrage
····Profiles:
········Legion Whirlwind Scorpius: BS:4|Front:13|Side:12|Rear:10|HP:3|Type:Tank|HH:LACAL p64
········Scorpius Multi-launcher: Range:48"|Strength:8|AP:3|Type:Heavy 1, Barrage, Blast, Rocket Barrage|HH:LACAL p64

+ Legion +

Legion Astartes [XX: Alpha Legion]

++ Selection Rules ++

Consul: (HH:LACAL p16)
Extremely Bulky
Fury of the Legion: (HH:LACAL p30)
Independent Character
Legiones Astartes: - Units with this special rules may always attempt to regroup regardless of casualties.
- Additional rules conferred by Legiones Astartes (____) (HH:LACAL p80)
Rapid Tracking: Targets may not take a Jink save against damage from this weapon. (HH:LACAL p61)
Rocket Barrage: In a turn in which the vehicle has not moved, increase rate of fire to Heavy 1+D3. (HH:LACAL p64)
Shell Shock: Pinning tests taken because of a weapon with this special rule suffer a -1 Leadership penalty. (HH:LACAL p83)
Uncontrolled Replication: Should a model be slain by the Nanyte Blaster, roll a D6. On a 4+ center a Large Blast marker on the model's position and resolve a blast attack at Str 5 AP 2. Further casualties may themselves trigger futher Uncontrolled Replications. (HH4: Conquest p223)

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[Dedwoods42]

That would be great, will depend when I'm next in!
With a bit of luck I'll be up next week and I'll sit in :-)

Looks like a fairly solid list - I'd perhaps counter-propose something like this:
+++ Alpha Legion (1050pts) +++

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1050pts) ++

+ HQ (135pts) +

Legion Centurion (135pts) [Artificer Armour, Combat Shield, Nanyte Blaster, Power Dagger]
····Consul
········Delegatus [Master of the Legion]

+ Troops (355pts) +

Legion Tactical Squad (180pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Dagger]

Legion Tactical Squad (175pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Power Dagger]

+ Elites (270pts) +

Apothecarion Detachment (90pts) [Legion Apothecary, Legion Apothecary]

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (180pts)
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')]
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')]
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')]

+ Heavy Support (290pts) +

Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (175pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Heavy Bolters]

Legion Whirlwind Scorpius (115pts)

+ Legion +

Legion Astartes [XX: Alpha Legion]

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But then I'd consider some other things.
The Nanyte Blaster is very cool, and deadly - but at this stage 40 points is a lot to drop on a relic that you can swap out later. I'd consider dropping that, and both Apothecaries (depending on whether they've been in the list before) as well as a few other bits and bobs - to get more bodies on the ground.
+++ Alpha Legion (1050pts) +++

++ Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) (1050pts) ++

+ HQ (85pts) +

Legion Centurion (85pts) [Artificer Armour, Combat Shield, Consul, Plasma Pistol, Power Dagger]

+ Troops (495pts) +

Legion Tactical Squad (180pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Dagger]

Legion Tactical Squad (180pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Dagger]

Legion Tactical Support Squad (135pts) [4x Legion Space Marines, Volkite Calivers]
····Legion Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Bolter and Augury Scanner, Power Dagger]

+ Elites (180pts) +

Legion Rapier Weapons Battery (180pts)
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')]
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')]
····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Quad Mortar ('Thud Gun')]

+ Heavy Support (290pts) +

Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (175pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Heavy Bolters]

Legion Whirlwind Scorpius (115pts)

+ Legion +

Legion Astartes [XX: Alpha Legion]

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[Alpharius]

Do you not think the extra CC weapons are worth it for 20 points a squad?

[Thom]

Can the Whirlwind Scorpius still use large blast no cover?

Drop the combat shields - 6++ for me is useless.

Your list has no mobility, I know you can infiltrate but I'd look at transports with a distraction unit in, Arif/Player will focus shots on that and not your quad gun and whirlwind. You want to advance into 12" Rapid Fire turn of death range ASAP with your infantry and keep them pinned with your heavy support fire :-)

CC is dead in this meta. It's about dakka and high strength Dakka. CC is good if you can close quickly (DS, Assault Vehicles, Jet Bikes / Bikes etc).

[Alpharius]

Can the Whirlwind Scorpius still use large blast no cover?

Drop the combat shields - 6++ for me is useless.

Your list has no mobility, I know you can infiltrate but I'd look at transports with a distraction unit in, Arif/Player will focus shots on that and not your quad gun and whirlwind. You want to advance into 12" Rapid Fire turn of death range ASAP with your infantry and keep them pinned with your heavy support fire :-)

CC is dead in this meta. It's about dakka and high strength Dakka. CC is good if you can close quickly (DS, Assault Vehicles, Jet Bikes / Bikes etc).

No if it stays still its D3+1 small blasts at str8 ap3

Yeah they were just a points fill.

I may need to buy rhinos then. Or drop pods.... Will have to check what china is selling.

[manrogue]

CC combat is still very viable, as Thom says you just need the mobility and tactics to get in.

Jump packs or bikes are the way to go on CC units, less so Rhino's or drop pod as you can't charge turn you disembark. Better of putting Shooting units in those.

Same with infiltration or scouting, can't charge the turn you do it so need think of that when you deploy as will need to absorb a round of shooting with CC unit.

The main thing is getting the synergy and list balance right. If you want a CC army, you need to build the army around it. Its why i have a lot of MSU distraction units in my BA list, to make opponents think about whether to shoot Sang guard, Death company or pods etc.

[Dedwoods42]

Things to remember:
The Combat Shield is raised to 5++ in combat - which for 5 points is great.
Combat weapons on tac squads in 30K are really not worth it - ATSKNF is not a thing, Marines will break in combat and be swept by tarpit units just by volume of attacks. Only dedicated combat units such as assault marines or armies with Fearless or an equivalent, such as the Death Guard, ever really want to be in combat.
As Thom said - mobility would be handy, but for the Alpha Legion more bodies on the ground is more useful. When you're Infiltrating all over the place you just need everything to get to objectives or cover and bunker down.
Artificer Armour on squad Sergeants allows you to have a chance to soak AP3 fire with LoS rolls.