Kickstarter Torn Armor

[Stuart]

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1471...torn-armor

Torn Armor is a fantasy skirmish miniature game based on the rich lore of "Torn." It features anthropomorphic creatures such as cat, mouse, monkey, and rhino-headed creatures in their desperate defense of their homeland against the Spartan-like "Sisk" invaders.

Each side is beautifully brought to life through 39 expertly crafted miniatures, ranging from the 20mm "Mu" (mice-men), through to the lumbering war golems that tower a spectacular 60mm on the game board.

Gameplay is intended to be fast and furious. 10 minute set-up time, 30 minute whirlwind action across playing areas the size of a coffee table. While you can certainly set up a table-tennis sized surface if you wish and sprawl out half a dozen Torn Armor battlemats, the core game is intended to be played in a manner conducive to your modern lifestyle: the gameplay is quick, the required playing surface is small, and you'll get plenty of games into just an evening of play.

[Stuart]

Looks like this has run into serious (terminal) problems: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/alys...sts/726991

[manrogue]

Yep, been all over the forums this morning. No idea why they decided to get involved with defiance games. Massive naivety there.....

For those that aren't up on defiance games, a simple google search will fill you in.

Quick summary - History of not delivering own products, problems with there own kickstarter, had plastic containers off rustforge (who had them off Proxie) and refused to pay them.

[jaqenhgar]

Ouch, someone pledged $1500 to that kickstarter...

[Simian]

Defiance games again? the cause of so, so many problems for so many people.

awful.

[manrogue]

This was posted on DG FB page a few minutes ago.

https://www.facebook.com/DefianceGames?h...eam_ref=10

An open letter to Alyssa Faden of Torn Armor.

Alyssa,

Did you really have to take so little responsibility and say that WE failed? After a nice paragraph in which you say you should take the blame, you write a long text blaming us. Wrong.

Basically, your figures were not produced because the digital files you provided do not work. Yet you try to shift responsibility for that to Defiance. Defiance DID NOT create the digital files. It was never our responsibility to do that. You should admit that, but you do not.

This is your project -- the only person responsible for the fact that Defiance never received workable files is ultimately you, Alyssa. The buck stops with you when it comes to Torn.

After the original files proved unworkable, the vendor you hired to fix them did not provide results which could be manufactured (Did you really want us to try and make a 20 mm resin figure in 5 parts???). Nothing that happened at Defiance, the 'changing of the guard' or the 'turbulent times' changes that.

You claim to have patience. Well, you are now choosing (it is a choice on your part) to close your project. Ultimately, this might still be a fixable problem. We have suggested possible solutions. You have decided not to do that. That is your decision and your responsibility. Do not blame anyone else for it.

I am really disappointed in you.

John Morse

People have already started to ask them why not refund the money.

[Gareth]

One of many reasons, I tend not to leap on shinies from unknown games companies, which cannot self produce.